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While markdown is pretty great for most things, I can even see simple html+css going strong. There is a few things that are quality of life that we have now, or would like to get, that I don't know how to achieve. These may only be relevant for a few pages, that may be semi-manual or generative, and could be explicitly using HTML instead of a markdown default, but I don't know how to do this in Markdown.
 
While markdown is pretty great for most things, I can even see simple html+css going strong. There is a few things that are quality of life that we have now, or would like to get, that I don't know how to achieve. These may only be relevant for a few pages, that may be semi-manual or generative, and could be explicitly using HTML instead of a markdown default, but I don't know how to do this in Markdown.
  
W1; Sortable Tables. I am unaware of any way to do this in markdown. This may only be relevant for a few pages, the list of mech overviews
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* W1; Sortable Tables. I am unaware of any way to do this in markdown. This may only be relevant for a few pages, the list of mech overviews
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** Amid: Accepted
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*** I'd completely forgotten about the sortable aspect because I never use that functionality. But you're right that we could just use raw html/css for that - most flat file engines have a way to "escape" the Markdown
  
 
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* W2; Embeddable Images. I think there's a few markdown things that play with html tags or ![alt text](image_url). We use these in some guide stuff, and it'd be nice to not loose functionality.
W2; Embeddable Images. I think there's a few markdown things that play with html tags or ![alt text](image_url). We use these in some guide stuff, and it'd be nice to not loose functionality.
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** Amid: Accepted
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*** No contest, I think we're aligned on that and its just a matter of finding one that makes that easy
  
  
 
W3; TextTable Loadouts. Instead of updating pictures of the loadouts, generate loadouts in a nice positional layout like in the game. This would save all the storage and traffic, and should make the website more responsive and intuitive to use. I can imagine doing this in markdown with a fake table grid or so, but then hiding empty fields is like a weird extra layout step, and wouldn't know how to do this in markdown.
 
W3; TextTable Loadouts. Instead of updating pictures of the loadouts, generate loadouts in a nice positional layout like in the game. This would save all the storage and traffic, and should make the website more responsive and intuitive to use. I can imagine doing this in markdown with a fake table grid or so, but then hiding empty fields is like a weird extra layout step, and wouldn't know how to do this in markdown.
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** Amid: ?
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*** If I'm understanding you correctly, this could be difficult, but I could also be not understanding you :sweat-smile:
  
 
==BD's Requirements==
 
==BD's Requirements==
  
 
==Final Requirements==
 
==Final Requirements==
To be built after we agree on them
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To be built as we agree on them
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* Sane embeddable media support
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** Keep guide functionality as close to current
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** Clean interface/code to include them inline
  
 
=Options So Far=
 
=Options So Far=
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* [https://github.com/ppeetteerrs/obsidian-zola Obsidian Zola]
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** basically a direct way to host Obsidian vaults in netlify
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** would need some hacking to work self-hosted
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* [https://quartz.jzhao.xyz/hosting Quartz]
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** Support Github and Obsidian markdown
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** also needs hacking to work self-hosted
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* [https://www.bookstackapp.com/ Bookstack]
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** highly regarded on r/selfhosted
 
* [https://www.docsy.dev/ Hugo theme: Docsy]
 
* [https://www.docsy.dev/ Hugo theme: Docsy]
 
** Tabs! Tables! Rich menus!
 
** Tabs! Tables! Rich menus!
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** [https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/oe7xpp/markdown_based_wiki_i_can_git_push_to/h44yror/ Read Later]
 
** [https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/oe7xpp/markdown_based_wiki_i_can_git_push_to/h44yror/ Read Later]
 
* [https://tiddlywiki.com/ TiddlyWiki]
 
* [https://tiddlywiki.com/ TiddlyWiki]
* [https://quiki.app Quiki]
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** Okay I have spent an hour trying to get my head around this and while I think I got it I don't think its intuitive for us or a user.
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** Performance wise tho, this thing is impressive
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** Could be convinced, leaving it up
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* <s>[https://quiki.app Quiki]</s>
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** "Anyone can read it. Anyone can write it." Bullshit. You invented a Go templating language, immediately ran into problems, then had to write a dedicated section on escaping those problems to write html.
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** Absolutely not.
 
* [http://dynalon.github.io/mdwiki MDwiki]
 
* [http://dynalon.github.io/mdwiki MDwiki]
 
** No longer maintained?
 
** No longer maintained?

Latest revision as of 01:57, 31 January 2024

Requirements

Individuals should list their requirements, and others should make sub lists with "Accepted/Not Accepted" and any discussion points

Example:

==Fake Requirements==
* Full Emoji Support
** Amid: Not Accepted
*** You're dumb and bad
* No PHP
** Amid: Accepted
*** Sane
* No Java
** Amid: Accepted
*** It's 2024, fuck off with JVMs.

Amid's Requirements

  • Uses Markdown or similar "light" language that is easily understood
  • No PHP
  • No Java
  • No Lua
  • Can be hosted in light CMS options
  • Looks purdy/Modern
  • Sane picture/media support

Wulf's Requirements

While markdown is pretty great for most things, I can even see simple html+css going strong. There is a few things that are quality of life that we have now, or would like to get, that I don't know how to achieve. These may only be relevant for a few pages, that may be semi-manual or generative, and could be explicitly using HTML instead of a markdown default, but I don't know how to do this in Markdown.

  • W1; Sortable Tables. I am unaware of any way to do this in markdown. This may only be relevant for a few pages, the list of mech overviews
    • Amid: Accepted
      • I'd completely forgotten about the sortable aspect because I never use that functionality. But you're right that we could just use raw html/css for that - most flat file engines have a way to "escape" the Markdown
  • W2; Embeddable Images. I think there's a few markdown things that play with html tags or ![alt text](image_url). We use these in some guide stuff, and it'd be nice to not loose functionality.
    • Amid: Accepted
      • No contest, I think we're aligned on that and its just a matter of finding one that makes that easy


W3; TextTable Loadouts. Instead of updating pictures of the loadouts, generate loadouts in a nice positional layout like in the game. This would save all the storage and traffic, and should make the website more responsive and intuitive to use. I can imagine doing this in markdown with a fake table grid or so, but then hiding empty fields is like a weird extra layout step, and wouldn't know how to do this in markdown.

    • Amid: ?
      • If I'm understanding you correctly, this could be difficult, but I could also be not understanding you :sweat-smile:

BD's Requirements

Final Requirements

To be built as we agree on them

  • Sane embeddable media support
    • Keep guide functionality as close to current
    • Clean interface/code to include them inline

Options So Far

  • Obsidian Zola
    • basically a direct way to host Obsidian vaults in netlify
    • would need some hacking to work self-hosted
  • Quartz
    • Support Github and Obsidian markdown
    • also needs hacking to work self-hosted
  • Bookstack
    • highly regarded on r/selfhosted
  • Hugo theme: Docsy
    • Tabs! Tables! Rich menus!
    • So fucking complicated calling it a Hugo theme is really stretching the definition
  • Hugo theme: Lotus Docs
    • No relation to Lotus Notes
    • So fucking sexy
  • Obsidian
    • needs a frontend for hosting?
  • wiki.js
    • Needs db? but backs up to flat files? I'm confused
    • Further research needed
  • docsify.js
    • Uuuuuugh fragment based pages, kill me
  • DokuWiki
    • PHP
    • Not actually flat file? Why does this keep coming up in searches :/
    • "Open the install.php file in your browser and follow the instructions" Annnnnd into the bin it goes!
  • XWiki
    • Java
  • PMWiki
    • PHP
    • Ugly as shit
  • MkDocs
  • TiddlyWiki
    • Okay I have spent an hour trying to get my head around this and while I think I got it I don't think its intuitive for us or a user.
    • Performance wise tho, this thing is impressive
    • Could be convinced, leaving it up
  • Quiki
    • "Anyone can read it. Anyone can write it." Bullshit. You invented a Go templating language, immediately ran into problems, then had to write a dedicated section on escaping those problems to write html.
    • Absolutely not.
  • MDwiki
    • No longer maintained?
  • FlatNotes
  • Hugo theme: Relearn
  • Vuepress
  • Docusaurus
    • Waayyyy too much npm for my peace of mind
    • Facebook owned

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